DISQUS

Shooting at Bubbles: Advertising for bloggers has to change

  • Mike Rundle · 1 year ago
    I think more bloggers need to get off the "drop code in and have it pay me automatically" bandwagon. If you want to make more money with your blog (or website, or company, or whatever) then you have to get off your butt and make it happen. If you want to make more money from advertising then research your industry and sell directly to companies. Reach out and develop relationships with potential advertisers and make them understand how you'll be providing value. Sending emails is a low-effort activity so if you get in touch with a dozen companies and one of them ends up buying ads on your site, it's well worth the effort.
  • Brandon Wirtz · 1 year ago
    Even with out doing this, it is about knowing which topics you are an expert in, and worth reading about, and putting in the leg work to keep that up. There are a million arm chair quarterbacks, and everyone of them thinks they are worth reading, but they aren't.

    One must pay their dues, hit the trade shows, speak at conventions, become recognized as a leader in their space, or they are just another guy with a rant log.
  • StevenHodson · 1 year ago
    Mike I agree with you whole heartedly but this is a territory that I believe most bloggers have no idea on how to proceed .. how to best figure what that 125 x 125 ad above the fold it worth or how much of a flat rate to charge for the 160 x 600 Tower ad. They don't know how much bickering room there is or if companies are even interested in doing a flat rate sponsorship type deal.

    For many bloggers the idea of having to be sales agents when their inclination is just to write about products, news or other such things is not something they are prepared to handle and so they end up settling for second best and getting screwed in the process.
  • chartreuse · 1 year ago
    great post.

    In an age where everyone is a superstar, it seems everyone also needs an agent.

    (Seems like a via business for those so inclined...)
  • Robert Seidman · 1 year ago
    I'm not sure exactly what you'e suggesting. Is it highr CPMs for B-List blogs?

    I don't think it unthinkable that such a thing will happen, but the problem is, the M in CPM is still based on traffic, no matter what you do.

    There are networks springing up all the time. We're starting to experiment with a company here in San Francisco who claims it will pay us more than AdSense and some of that (they say) is because the specific focus of our site is more valuable to advertisers. We're very small (~350,000 page views/mo) so even if we got a $10 CPM (we won't, it will surely be less) it's still in the realm of pocket money (especially split betwen 2 people). But if it's more pocket money than AdSense, that's at least a step in the right direction.

    No matter what happens though, to make a good living off of it, more scale must be achieved. I'm guessing whatever happens with advertising there will be one "who get paid well" for like every 1000-10000 who don't.

    If it's about the money, scale matters.regardless of how the advertising works.
  • StevenHodson · 1 year ago
    Robert

    I'm not sure I was really trying to suggest anything. It was just more of a rambling that when it comes to the mid-size blogs the only ones making any money are the ad networks and yet the bloggers still have to try and do something to even just pay for their costs.
  • Mark 'Rizzn' Hopkins · 1 year ago
    brilliant post. there also needs to be a focus on rss monetization in a real way, as well as sponsorship not tied to CPMs but engagement and audience value. we should bring this up as a topic this for weekend's show.
  • StevenHodson · 1 year ago
    Personally I would really like to see sponsorship in the smaller blogs become a norm .. I know I would trade any one of the current ads for a set rate sponsorship ad in the same spot that was negotiated every 3 or 6 months depending on the type of blog and it growth pattern.
  • khodabakchian · 1 year ago
    Steven,
    I agree with that. Some can for sponsorship match making service would definitely be interesting. I think that creative commons is only trying to see how they can reduce the transaction cost overhead of content sharing/syndication so I think that it is worth keeping that conversation alive.
    Edwin
  • Brandon Wirtz · 1 year ago
    There is plenty of money in blogging, and Ads in RSS don't pay because they don't work. I will do over $150k on my blog posts this year, and stack on top of that for consulting services that will be mostly found through people who read one of my postings.

    There is more competition than there used to be, and if you can't step up to the plate, then you may not be in the right game.

    Full thoughts...
    http://www.takingthebridge.com/2008/04/response...
  • Mark Evans · 1 year ago
    Steve,

    Great post. You've nailed three big issues:
    1. Top-quality, original content doesn't usually mean lots of traffic
    2. As it current stands, pageviews are still the king of online advertising - no pageviews, no advertising.
    3. The AdSense revenue share is unfair but Google's not going to change the rules any time soon, and the viable alternatives are few and far between.

    My experience with markevanstech.com mirrors your post to a tee. It gets lots of traffic through RSS readers but only a modest amount of pageviews, which means it's not a great advertising vehicle. If I was really into getting more ad revenue, a return to partial feeds would be something I'd consider. People may not like them but if the content is good, maybe they would click through to the blog.

    Mark
  • StevenHodson · 1 year ago
    Thanks for the support of the intent of the post and as much as I understand the reasoning that you would consider switching back to partial feeds this isn't one that I would ever do myself as I strong disagree with them to the point that if I find a blog uses partial feeds I will unsubscribe from them. At this point there is only one blog that I have bent that rule for but it is a contest each time a new post shows up via RSS not to unsubscribe from them.
  • John · 1 year ago
    Steve,

    Have you tried the ADSDAQ Exchange? Publishers can name their own CPM price and thereby receive control on yield that publishers don't get from AdSense and others.

    John
  • StevenHodson · 1 year ago
    Never heard of the service before John so perhaps some further information to share with the group would be nice :)
  • Jesse · 1 year ago
    The newest thing I think also is selling blog advertising through auctions such as theblogauction.com . It is new, but I think it will become very successful
  • Yakov · 1 year ago
    I think that widgets should bring in new revenues, See on my blog http://blog.quintura.com