Solid idea but please not Automattic, we need to keep this platform agnostic.
JC John Sese Cuneta (謝施洗)
· 1 year ago
I dont agree on WordPress acquisition of DISQUS (and SezWho). Being tied to one blog platform will only spell doom and non-ignorable bias. They are better off as neutral webapps, that way their concentration is balanced.
I use b2evolution and Blogger/BlogSpot. I also have 1 MT blog (mainly for testing currently). Keep the balance. Keep the freedom of choice open. We all know what acquisitions can do, they'll start developing and prioritizing the services of the company that bought them regardless of what they say.
Louis Gray
· 1 year ago
Steven, it's not so wacky at all, Wordpress acquisition suggestions aside. As you were writing this, I was writing http://tinyurl.com/6zqkwu (Disqus' Partner Strategy: Is FriendFeed Integration Up Next?)
Paul Buchheit said in one of his comments today that he's already reached out to the Disqus team. That doesn't mean Disqus was receptive, or that talks are ongoing or anything... or that a release is imminent... but it's something. So we know they're looking at this, and I hope it happens. Not every comment on FriendFeed is relevant and not every blog uses Disqus, but this would be a powerful combo that I personally would like a lot.
StevenHodson
· 1 year ago
I also noticed at some point today Daniel mentioning we would be seeing an update to the Disqus plugin soon ... could be some goodies coming our way maybe.
Hutch Carpenter
· 1 year ago
Good one Steven - I've wondered if Wordpress could create a Disqus killer (http://tinyurl.com/5cmq43). Maybe a Disqus acquisition is the way to go?
Daniel Ha
· 1 year ago
Hey guys, just a note: our API does have a write-back method. The docs are online but not public just yet. It's being used/tested by some services.
StevenHodson
· 1 year ago
Excellent to hear Daniel. Looking forward to seeing what is coming.
howardlindzon
· 1 year ago
The internet is cool
Phil Butler
· 1 year ago
Hi Steve,
A very valid and timely post I must say. I have been working for another comment entity JS-Kit for some time now, and to be honest we have been a little curious about Dan's contentions of late. I tested and reviewed Disqus and talked to Dan back when it was launched - found it to be a great innovation back then. The problem then was how was this thing going to be monetized? Also, we were concerned about data or content not resident on the publisher's site even then. Dan did not have all the answers then obviously because it was so new.
Dan has three problems that he does not seem to want to address. He accused Kit and me of dogging him accross the Web after he retreated to Twitter yesterday. Well, my name is tied to his innovation in a way and the people at JS-Kit have operated with complete transparency in making and deploying their elements. So, yeah, I am going to go every place Dan goes and make sure that people are not duped into thinking that magically somehow their SEO and user comments are going to magically reappear when they need them.
Dan should reveal the monetization model for Disqus - People want transparency and this is a good PR move to show crediblity.
Dan should explain that their way of feeding the HTML back to the resident site from a file on their domain will be very slow if it works at all.
Dan should also just explain how the Disqus site will get SEO benefit from every scraped scrap of user content a publishers allows him to gather. Also, that if a publisher wants these comments back ...it will be all but impossible.
I liked Dan and Disqus if anyone cares to read the article I wrote on Profy about them. I predicted that they would out class even JS-KIt in the end if they develpped properly. But, here we are going crazy over a comment system that barely has 4000 sites when KIT has tens of thousands and is as good or better in many respects. Just making people aware that a smiling car salesman grin usually dennotes a car salesman under it.
Always,
Phil Butler
Khris
· 1 year ago
Hi,
Yes, your idea is wacky, on two fronts:
1) There are 10's of millions of blogs and WordPress is one of many very large platforms [TypePad, Blogger, Ning, etc]. So it *is* wacky to suggest that one platform can aggregate content spread across all CMS platforms.
2) Disqus has some 10,000 blogs which represents .0001 percent of the market ... a unifying platform? wacky....
I am with JS-Kit, and we provide Comments, Ratings, and Polls for blogs and have over 65,000 sites. We are 6X as big and are not so naive as to suggest that we could consolidate 100M+ blogs.
Think open standards and cross platform data exchange -- not wacky.
and they call me a crazy cranky old fart .. so far my crystal ball has been doing a pretty good job
Jitendra
· 1 year ago
Steven,
This is Jitendra from SezWho...Let me clarify our position.
We believe that distributed conversations is more and more becoming a fact of web life...even the biggest sites do not control the conversation they instigate...so Its really important to accept the fact that no one platform or site is ever going to control the conversation.
In such a world, solutions that force aggregate content to one site are not going to succeed...instead a meta user-based aggregation approach (kinda like Google does with Search) is needed. This is indeed what Sezwho is focussed on...And similar to page rank a notion of reputation and context is important to figure out the signal from the noise.
All Comments
I use b2evolution and Blogger/BlogSpot. I also have 1 MT blog (mainly for testing currently). Keep the balance. Keep the freedom of choice open. We all know what acquisitions can do, they'll start developing and prioritizing the services of the company that bought them regardless of what they say.
Paul Buchheit said in one of his comments today that he's already reached out to the Disqus team. That doesn't mean Disqus was receptive, or that talks are ongoing or anything... or that a release is imminent... but it's something. So we know they're looking at this, and I hope it happens. Not every comment on FriendFeed is relevant and not every blog uses Disqus, but this would be a powerful combo that I personally would like a lot.
A very valid and timely post I must say. I have been working for another comment entity JS-Kit for some time now, and to be honest we have been a little curious about Dan's contentions of late. I tested and reviewed Disqus and talked to Dan back when it was launched - found it to be a great innovation back then. The problem then was how was this thing going to be monetized? Also, we were concerned about data or content not resident on the publisher's site even then. Dan did not have all the answers then obviously because it was so new.
Dan has three problems that he does not seem to want to address. He accused Kit and me of dogging him accross the Web after he retreated to Twitter yesterday. Well, my name is tied to his innovation in a way and the people at JS-Kit have operated with complete transparency in making and deploying their elements. So, yeah, I am going to go every place Dan goes and make sure that people are not duped into thinking that magically somehow their SEO and user comments are going to magically reappear when they need them.
Dan should reveal the monetization model for Disqus - People want transparency and this is a good PR move to show crediblity.
Dan should explain that their way of feeding the HTML back to the resident site from a file on their domain will be very slow if it works at all.
Dan should also just explain how the Disqus site will get SEO benefit from every scraped scrap of user content a publishers allows him to gather. Also, that if a publisher wants these comments back ...it will be all but impossible.
I liked Dan and Disqus if anyone cares to read the article I wrote on Profy about them. I predicted that they would out class even JS-KIt in the end if they develpped properly. But, here we are going crazy over a comment system that barely has 4000 sites when KIT has tens of thousands and is as good or better in many respects. Just making people aware that a smiling car salesman grin usually dennotes a car salesman under it.
Always,
Phil Butler
Yes, your idea is wacky, on two fronts:
1) There are 10's of millions of blogs and WordPress is one of many very large platforms [TypePad, Blogger, Ning, etc]. So it *is* wacky to suggest that one platform can aggregate content spread across all CMS platforms.
2) Disqus has some 10,000 blogs which represents .0001 percent of the market ... a unifying platform? wacky....
I am with JS-Kit, and we provide Comments, Ratings, and Polls for blogs and have over 65,000 sites. We are 6X as big and are not so naive as to suggest that we could consolidate 100M+ blogs.
Think open standards and cross platform data exchange -- not wacky.
Be Well,
Khris Loux, CEO
JS-Kit
http://js-kit.com
doing a pretty good job
This is Jitendra from SezWho...Let me clarify our position.
We believe that distributed conversations is more and more becoming a fact of web life...even the biggest sites do not control the conversation they instigate...so Its really important to accept the fact that no one platform or site is ever going to control the conversation.
In such a world, solutions that force aggregate content to one site are not going to succeed...instead a meta user-based aggregation approach (kinda like Google does with Search) is needed. This is indeed what Sezwho is focussed on...And similar to page rank a notion of reputation and context is important to figure out the signal from the noise.
thanks, Jitendra