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Shooting at Bubbles: Real World Social Media Slaps Feldman Back To The Bush League

  • Nathan · 1 year ago
    Look, it's simple. If you don't want people to think you're a racist, you don't do what amounts to a slightly updated minstrelsy routine. It doesn't matter what your underlying "sophisticated" point is, whether it's about tech, the blogosphere, or whatever. If your method for getting your point across is to toss around the N-word and exploit every cheap racist stereotype in the book, people are going to think you're a racist. Half-assed rationalizations about how "hey, it's satire, where's your sense of humor" or "I was only trying to start conversation" really don't matter once you start pulling crap like that. The video was cheap and it was mean-spirited, and there was no intelligence or humor in it that the average, unsophisticated outsider like me could see, only racist -- or, excuse me, racist-looking -- bile.

    Looks to me like Feldman wanted it both ways. He wanted to be the bad boy. He wanted to push the envelope. But he got slapped for it, and now he wants to say he didn't mean anything bad by it. Well, tough. That's not how it works. With racial issues in this country, sometimes when you start pushing people's buttons, they push back. He's going to have to deal with it now.

    And with regard to the fact that this video was "exclusive" and never meant to be seen on V-CAST -- that's not the point, either. The point is that Verizon had made a distribution deal with a guy whose best known work to date was a five-minute blackface routine called "TechNigga." Someone figured out that this was bad P.R. for the company and pulled the plug. That's how it goes.

    Oh, and can we stop the Carlin comparisons, please? TechNigga's more on the Andrew Dice Clay level.
  • Mark 'Rizzn' Hopkins · 1 year ago
    Seesmic video reply from Disqus.
  • Mark 'Rizzn' Hopkins · 1 year ago
    Ok. I'm sick of screwing with Seesmic, so I'll just bulletpoint what I was saying in the video:
    * The TechNigga videos were never on VCAST. It was to be exclusive content.
    * Therefore there was nothing to protest.
    * That didn't stop Project Islamic Hope from protesting. They're a professional protesting group.
    * They protest easy positions, they have no guts to stand up for tough cases.
    * PIH is essentially cultural political correctness patrol.
    * That's bad.
    * Loren wasn't making fun of black people.
    * Loren was making fun of bloggers.
    * I agree with the George Carlin angle.
    * PIH is playing the part of the Catholics in the Catholics vs. Opie and Anthony and Jack Thompson in Jack vs. Grand Theft Auto.
    * People are hypocrites for not calling these protesters on this.
  • StevenHodson · 1 year ago
    and I'm not disagreeing with any of your points. What I was trying to get across was that when push come to shove the folks in Social Media don't have the reach to affect change the way they think they do.
  • Mark 'Rizzn' Hopkins · 1 year ago
    Well, they might. Loren Feldman is more of a divider than a uniter, so it is doubtful that he's going to get the blogosphere behind him to get a counter-protest going. What I think is sad is that something like that could easily work (and has in the past) to combat these types of protest-bullies.

    The only problem is, it isn't politically correct, so no one is going to get behind it. If only Loren had picked on Republicans, he'd still have a Verizon contract.
  • Phil Glockner · 1 year ago
    Hell, he'd have a TV show that might rival Colbert! Well.. no. Colbert is almost perfect in that role.
  • Shey · 1 year ago
    "Loren wasn't making fun of black people."

    LOL wow -- care to explain that one?
  • Mark 'Rizzn' Hopkins · 1 year ago
    He was trying to make a point about the blogosphere - and how we're all navel gazers, and that was a caricature of what a tech blogger entrenched in the stereotypical "r&b/black" culture would look like. The fact that he was "impersonating" a black person was just a means to that end. He could have chosen Christians, Mexicans, Buddhists, Nihilists or Raver kids as the stereotype. The point was that the blogosphere lacked diversity and perspective in that respect.

    Like I said, I didn't find it a particularly hilarious video, and the only reason I've analyzed it is because of the controversy, not the humor value. If he spent a bit more time writing the jokes, his point might have been better made.

    I don't think Loren's truly a racist though. It just doesn't scan.
  • Shey · 1 year ago
    Mark, see that's the problem with stereotypes. Lots of people don't see the problem and so they think it's ok but it's not. Did he say, "What if 50 Cent was a Tech Blogger"? No. He slapped that stereotype on all of us.

    I'm currently writing my own rant on this as I want to make myself clear and use all the words I want to, on my own blog :)
  • n8k99 · 1 year ago
    well that's a nice rationalization- but it doesn' t play like that.
  • Mark 'Rizzn' Hopkins · 1 year ago
    When taken out of context, sure, it doesn't.
  • SquidLord · 1 year ago
    So ... what you're saying is that the truth doesn't matter, the facts don't matter, only what you imagine the facts to be matter?

    Yeah. And they say I'm unduly cynical.
  • Shey · 1 year ago
  • Mi5 · 1 year ago
    You are a complete asshole if you think that that Feldman goon compares to the great George Carlin.
    Of course that moron had the right to make a racist "TechNigga" video, but activists have the right to lobby corporations not to promote that sort of garbage. Why do you have a problem with the latter but not the former?
    Maybe that Jew Feldman has learned a much-needed lesson.
  • StevenHodson · 1 year ago
    excuse me?

    are you calling me the asshole here?

    If tha tis the case then you'd better take a minute out of your self-rightous life and re-read the post again because I did not suggest that and really who's being the racist here you pompous twat.
  • Mi5 · 1 year ago
    Well look who is resorting with angry name-calling now.
    You mentioned "the hypocrisy of the very people moaning about the loss of someone like George Carlin and the need to push boundaries but who in turn get pissy over Loren’s bluntness about the fallacies within social media," which amounts to a false charge of hypocrisy as well as a repetition of an inane comparison.
    You did, in fact, suggest such a comparison with your above statement by putting Carlin's boundary-pushing in the same category of Feldman's hatred and you should be ashamed about it. READ IT AGAIN.
    And anyway anyone who lowers themselves to blogging about this on their own site is, like you, an asshole.
  • StevenHodson · 1 year ago
    Obviously you are having a hard time comprehending the fact that I was referring to Ethan Kaplan who is the person making the Carlin reference.

    As for the name calling I'm not the one who resorted to the racist style continatation of Jew as a way to denigrate a person as you did with Loren - I just called you a pompous twat which you continue to prove yourself to be.
  • Mi5 · 1 year ago
    You repeated Ethan Kaplan's argument, even though it was a stupid one.
    So now, are you saying that you don't agree with his view, even though you bothered to mention it the way you did in your post?
    You are spreading misinformation and stupid arguments. Don't you feel a little responsible for that?

    And what do you mean by "pompous twat?"
    Do you hate women? Otherwise why would you use language like that, even to refer to someone who was making you look stupid?
  • StevenHodson · 1 year ago
    So your feeling is that any use of contrary opinion in an article to illustrate a point is wrong? Whether I agree with Kaplan or not isn't the point - the point of using his reference was a part of a larger and totally different arguement which you have obviously missed in your need to justify your own narrow viewpoint of the world.

    As for spreading misinformation and stupid arguments it is too bad that you missed what the article was about in the first place but then I guess that shouldn't be a surprise considering you hide your real name and think it is okay to use racial innuendo to insult a human being.

    In regards to looking stupid - na I don't think so. You have a long way to go to do that but you are doing a find job of showing yourself in that light.
  • Mi5 · 1 year ago
    What about your use of the word "twat?"

    You didn't answer; I will ask again, do you hate women?
  • StevenHodson · 1 year ago
    Let me ask my wife of 15 happy years what she thinks about that question and get back to you.....
  • Mi5 · 1 year ago
    So for now, until you get back to me, I'll assume the answer is yes.

    All those 15 years prove is that you are old.
  • StevenHodson · 1 year ago
    your wit is impressive
  • CyndyA · 1 year ago
    I'm just popping popcorn. Hodson, it's been a while since you had a nice bitchfest in your comments section!
  • Nicki Brøchner · 1 year ago
    I am not normally a fan Loren Feldman. I just don’t think he is that funny, but in this case I did think he had it going for him. It is Humour/comedy and that have a tendency to push the limits, and I am sure that it where what Loren indented here.

    And as he himself is saying: ” It’s not insulting an ETHNIC group, but a SOCIAL group, in this case: rappers/ganstas.” I am in a complete agreement with him here, and have a hard time understanding where the racism comes in, or is it just the fact that a white man used the ”N-Word” and that where not social accepted? Well if that is the case then we are not talking about racism but just different standards of what people is ”Allowed” by the social norms to do, and as I said before it is the comedians job to push the limited of that social norm.